Croozer: Been using the Brazen for over a year now and it's still going strong, the
only issue I had was a leaky carafe and Behmor rectified that quickly.
My Technivorm has been moved to the back up.
Seattle Coffee Gear: One has to set some parameters in order to test; as I described below, we
set this to the MFR recommended settings and have done all of our testing
this way, with great results. Sorry this test didn't meet your needs :) -
alchemist4242: Totally unknown since they only used one temperature. All it showed was two
people liked paper filter at one temp over metal filter at another temp.
psykodragz: you guys should make the votes out of 4 people, that way it can at least be
equal in votes if both machines are head-to-head with each other :D
ClassicsCafe: I don't understand the Technivorms 5-10 and 2-5 cups thing. If you only
pour in water for 5 cups why flip any switches? It's just going to brew to
the 5 cups no? Or am I wrong? 0_o So now what would happen if you pour
water for say 3 cups, but have the switch on for "5-10 cups"...what would
happen? The switch makes no sense. Can you explain please?
Mart Anthony: So the pre-infusion and super-tight temperature control features of the
Brazen didn't really add much to the cup? Interesting.
alchemist4242: You folks really did a dis-service to the Brazen. Under the pretense of
being 'fair' by using factory settings you instead tied the Brazen's hand's
behind it's back and left it 100% to chance as to whether the brew temp was
good. The temp you used is not the factory setting. Mine came at 210 F as
the default setting. That would be too hot, and yours was arguable too
cold. "Fair" would be brewing one pot for every temp the Brazen could be
set at and comparing those results to the TVs one cup
Seattle Coffee Gear: We left it at the settings recommended to us by Joe and have done all of
our testing of coffees and comparison using those same settings. I'm sorry
you don't agree to our approach, as always, feel free to test and use
equipment as you personally prefer -- just like we do :D - Kat
alchemist4242: That's kind of an interesting change in story. Was it the default settings
or settings Joe recommended? I very much doubt the later as you now say as
Joe has made it quite the point there is no one suggested set of settings.
That they should be changed to each individual's liking. You are right. I
don't agree with your approach. I found it lacking. Lazy under the guise of
fair. But to each his/her own I guess.
Seattle Coffee Gear: Thank you for sharing your experiences with others! Really helpful as folks
research. - Kat
Seattle Coffee Gear: Yeah, and we mention it, too. - Kat
ClassicsCafe: So say I like really strong coffee...and I do! So I pack the filter in with
grounds but only want say half of the water container full (I can't drink
all of that). So I go to start extracting based on how much grounds I put
in? The filter is packed...but I only want say three cups. Now what?
Caffe Lusso: The Technivorm has no water filtration system, right? Do you recommend
using pre-filtered water?
Seattle Coffee Gear: Like I said in my response, these are the settings Joe recommended to us
and we have done all of our testing with them. One has to set some kind of
parameters to do any kind of comparison testing. If you think we're lazy,
feel free to look to others who might meet your needs. :) - Kat
Seattle Coffee Gear: But we need to have a tie breaker!! These are mostly about having fun with
coffee ... I like the split decision because it tells the story that all
these coffee makers produce very good cups with only slight personal
differences :) - Kat
Seattle Coffee Gear: Yes -- if you try to brew smaller amounts, the water will actually go
through too fast on some machines and you won't get a great extraction.
That middle position on the lever closes the opening a bit so that it slows
down the extraction rate overall. Let me know if you have more questions -
Seattle Coffee Gear: We drink it like we like it -- hot, right from the pot. Feel free to taste
as you please :) - Kat
jochemvanl: It's actually a combination of the Dutch words "techniek" and "vorm",
meaning "technology" and "design" (or shape) in English. Which is btw what
they try to make: technology in a good design (aesthetically and ease of
use). But I totally agree on your description of the word, it sounds like a
bad ass level boss ;).
BalkepsDomain: Technivorm - sounds like a level boss name from a video game.
Seattle Coffee Gear: No - this is for smaller amounts of coffee grounds; if you're going to put
coffee grounds in for 10 cups and then only put 5 cups of water in, brew at
the same rate. If you put the coffee grounds in for 5 cups and don't slow
it down, it will run through the coffee too fast and you'll have weak
coffee. - Kat
TERRY KAESEBERG: Brazen review 1) Be aware: You have to use filtered water. Period... if you
do not the machine will have to be descaled every 30 days or less (Phoenix
water). 2) If you are not careful when removing the carafe, it will catch
the brew basket and dump hot grounds all over including your hands. 3) The
carafe dribbles. Average design. 4) When removing the filter basket after
brewing, about an ounce or so of water will leak out from the distribution
holes above and require cleanup of the base area.
Dustin Nielsen: It's a review of coffee makers...get your priorities in order and treat
people with respect.
Seattle Coffee Gear: Hahahaha -- stay tuned ... we have a few other compares coming up ;) - Kat
Knut Arne Øye: If you say Technivorm in Norway,no one knows what that is,but say
Moccamaster EVERY coffedrinker knows what your talking about :). How can
you guys actually be able to taste the difference when its so warm that
you`ll run the risk of burning your tongue. If it comes right out of the
brewer,let it sit in a pre warmed cup for ca 5 min. And it will taste way
better and if its a good brew you`ll notice it right away, and you know the
differences between good brewers, not to mention good beans :)
Seattle Coffee Gear: We marketing ladies think it sounds like a sonic the hedgehog boss - Kat
ClassicsCafe: Sorry I paused the video and wrote the stuff below just before Gail
explained the 2-5 cups switch...but it still makes no sense. Do you mean
the 2-5 cups switch actually makes the water go into the caraffe slower?
The water goes to the caraffe quicker on the 5-10 setting?
closesquarters: Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this in the comments. Technivorm -
glass \ Brazen - insulated carafe. I think you guys need to account for
this control in your tests. Make sure both coffees are exact same temp
before tasting as too hot = less flavor & a burnt tongue! Love your
Seattle Coffee Gear: There is the potential that it could .... if you mess around with the
settings, you could possibly produce a better cup for the beans. - Kat
newstart1651: Technivorm opened up yet another fresh can of whoop ass LOL. I fill the
Technivorm vs. Bonavita Coffee Maker was too close. Gail proclaimed 50/50
on that battle, but I fill some fowl play was at hand LOL. Technivrm will
never be de-throwned-!!
coachafella: The entire design concept of the Brazen is the ability to adjust the
pre-soak time and specific water temp for the best results. By not
adjusting coffee amount, grind, pre-soak time and water temp you are
creating a very limited test of the Brazen's capability. Why would anyone
pay a premium for a Brazen and simply leave it at the factory settings? The
pertinent question is which machine is capable of producing the best brew,
which you did not answer.
Seattle Coffee Gear: Definitely need to use water that has a good mineral balance -- too hard
and it's not going to extract enough coffee, too soft and it will extract
too much. So weak vs. bitter. The recommendation from the fancy kids is
150ppm ... - Kat