Luther Pollok: I saw your videos. Nice installation. One of the reasons I chose a
recycling system is because I want to keep as much HHO gas away from the
electrics as possible. Heat is usually only an issue if your plates are not
matched well to your supply voltage. Consider it sort of like an 'impedance
mismatch' for DC. It your plates and input voltage are closely matched, the
ramp up in heat will be relatively slow.
shamansays: When you get a chance, can you elaborate on the "plates vs voltage" match?I
am not familiar with these two being an issue with each other.This might
explain some mysterious complications i have been having.
thecellinside: good job luther, cant wait to see it all assembled and running!
Bing Fischer: Great Video Luther! Are you doing the electrical leads to the bottom to try
to lower the temps at the connection leads from the water? If so, I would
recommend you keep an eye on that. From the tests I have done the water
below the plates is only about 5 degrees lower than the plates themselves.
At the top in an 3 inch deep open air bath system the temps are a good 10+
degrees lower than the cell. So I would check the connections, rubber and
terminals because the heat from power might melt it
Luther Pollok: Thank you very much. I appreciate your observations and comments.
Luther Pollok: Thank you very much for the compliment.
Fusion8r: Great work!
Luther Pollok: The sink fittings 'just came to me' when I was looking to building the
bubblers. I picked one up by mistake when it 'dawned on me' that this was
perfect! A really nice big hole I could use as both a filler cap and
explosion protection device all wrapped into one. I second using the
plumber's grease. Extremely expensive for what you get though. so far I
only use it on the PVC screw lids where it would be nice if I could really
get those caps back off again when I need to. :)
charlieehler: Luther, I was trying to say the bubbles tend to move the water in the same
way they do in an aquarium. It wasn't a suggestion to do something
different, just pointing out the reason it works. The reasons for doing so
are fine as well. Charlie
cjpeaceful1: Nice designs!
Luther Pollok: The shorter of the two does work. That was why I was considering building a
shorter one. ;) I would prefer to have a lot more testing with any of the
bronze wool flashback arrestors before I even consider dropping the pop off
tops. I've been close to having an explosion inside the cell way too many
times for my liking to not have redundant flashback systems in place.
Luther Pollok: I also learned the hard way with the couplers. I like them, but they can be
a problem if you don't check up on them once in a while. Thank you very
much for your comments and feedback. Good luck with your project.
Luther Pollok: It may only be 5 degrees cooler, but the heat transfer away from a poor
conductor is greater in solution than it is in a gas. Actually, I am doing
this because a loose connection under solution has access to a smaller
quantity of HHO gas than a loose terminal at the top of a cell. (the
explosion will be much smaller) The added benefit that any heating produced
by the poor terminal is transfered to the solution rather than the HHO gas
shamansays: I didnt hear if you were intending on using a recirculating type reserve
tank, with pvc cells it pretty much a necessity.Check out my hho install on
Luther Pollok: Basically, this is a safety improvement for wet cells that do not use a
reservoir and have a air gap at the top while running.
littlestpetshopkid: you responded to my video with the rubber 4inch coupling the reason I do it
that way is because the clean out cap leaks on me with the cell sitting in
my car during the day it gets so hot under the hood (engine off summer time
100+ degrees)that I can take off the cap with my pinkey put in the morning
it takes a pipe wrench! I used a 2inch heavyduty coupling n it didnt work
it kept popping off. this latest design in "trialnterror got hho bro
series" seems to work like a charm I have continued----
Luther Pollok: That is also the reason I am building an 'Upside Down" tank assembly. Its
all about safety and keeping me or anyone else from getting hurt. :)
Luther Pollok: As for the compression fittings... I want a large "emergency exit" that has
a very weak resistance to very fast expanding gases that you might get
during a flashback event. The problem that I see with compression fittings
is that you are expecting to be able to have a controlled release of those
gases. I do not think that is possible with a small diameter compression
fitting. Using a small emergency exit point will increase the probability
of causing damage to the tank.
Luther Pollok: Thank you for all of your observations and comments. I appreciate all of
them, even if at times it may not seem like I do. :) Sometimes (ok, ok
"most of the time") I have to figure out that I am 'doing it wrong' the
hard way. This may be one of those times.
Luther Pollok: See my personal email response.
Luther Pollok: I don't think I will have a problem with circulation. That other tank you
see in the background circulates very well without any external assistance
even when cold. The purpose of having a separate reservoir is to keep the
accumulation of gases away from the plates and any source of spark and
explosion hazards. I am inclined not to inject air into the system near the
plates just for that very reason.
charlieehler: The circulation will be greatly assisted by the flow of bubbles, ala fish
aquarium. Did you think of using the compression fittings for a blow off?
If you did, that seems a really workable idea! Charlie
charlieehler: Luther, I know all too well the limitations of the written word, plus the
time lag in responding. it just isn't the same as speaking and body
language. It's all good. You aren't doing anything wrong in this video that
I can see; in fact I like several elements of your design. The pop-off
fitting, the circulation system and 'no gas chamber' electrolyzer are all
A+ in my book. Cheap, easy and effective wins every time! Charlie
Luther Pollok: Thank you. As you might can tell, I've had some experience with the
explosive power of pure HHO gas. (unplanned experiences) Lets just say I
have a very, VERY healthy respect for it now!
Luther Pollok: I had not seen that. I will need to keep an eye out for it. Thank you.
charlieehler: Luther, As in turning your bubbler into a handy-dandy grenade? I aggree.
So, did you come up with the sink fittings idea? If you did, then good on
ya! Meanwhile, I suggest using plumbers silicone grease on the fittings if
they seem to be "hanging up". My experiments with it indicate it makes
things pretty slippery, ala dent in ceiling. Charlie
littlestpetshopkid: also did you see what i wrapped my cell with (silicone tape called f4 tape
or mox nest tape it withstands 4000 degrees)